Sur-Ron Facts and Myths

There are many myths going around about the Sur-Ron which get heard somewhere and then get repeated and somehow become fact.

The supposedly rare green anodized frame

Myth: The green colored Sur-Ron is anodized.

None of the Sur Ron Frames are anodized.

 

Myth: There is a big difference among fork choices.

For Sur-Ron, as long as it fits.

So far the Sur Ron is offered with 3 very good mid range fork options: RST, Fast Ace, and DNM. There is very little different among these forks as explained in this video:

 

 

Myth: You can buy the Sur-Ron direct from China for dirt cheap.

Sur-Ron is a Chinese factory and they are interested in distributors buying big numbers. In the beginning many people contacted them and got price quotes on large numbers and then ordered a sample…. Or a handful of bikes. Since Sur-Ron is now starting to establish distributors for different countries, you will probably be referred to a distributor or local dealer if you contact the factory. The fact is it is very expensive and difficult to ship a single large sized bike like the Sur-Ron with its gigantic lithium battery from china to anywhere…what makes Sur-Rons available to everyone is when containers get shipped in to various countries which is happening as we speak. Sur-Rons are not going to appear on Alibaba or Ebay or on forum group buys anytime soon (if the distributors are doing proper jobs). It belongs in the hands of qualified dealers with real locations that can support it like any other high quality motorcycle.

The Sur-Ron can be found at many reputable dealers for an incredible price

 

Myth: There are different production models with different motors with different performance numbers.

Ah, Yes, All exactly the same type of motor.

In reality there has only been 2 production models, and the only difference is the first model used a Golden Motor instead of the later models which have Sur Ron’s proprietary motor. Also the later edition has a better head light.

There is very little difference between the two motors. They put out identical torque and have the same top speed. The Golden Motor is just a bit noisier than the later edition motor. The new sine wave controller that will be available soon makes both motors significantly quieter and that controller will be a drop in replacement for the existing controller, and will be made available to all Luna customers.

 

Myth: Sur-Ron is soon releasing an “M” edition of its Firefly

Me too.

There is no special edition of the Sur-Ron coming out. Sur-Ron is working on a FOV Sine-Wave controller to replace its regular controller. Luna is pushing for that controller to have some kind of Regenerative braking and higher power output, but we have not seen a sample with those features yet.

Luna has tested the new controller and find it to be smoother and quieter but no significant torque or speed increases.

When the new controller is released it will be available first to existing Luna Sur-Ron customers before it is even available on bikes and it will cost around $400. However it’s important to Luna that the controller offer significant advantages over old controller before offering it because already its creating some confusion, and is more expensive and potentially problematic over the stock controller which works fine.

 

Myth: By putting in a higher amperage battery to a stock Sur-Ron the Sur-Ron bike will get a boost in amperage or continuous power.

you will see no performance upgrades by upgrading the battery alone because the battery already puts out ample power to saturate the stock controller. However, if you want the ability to later swap for a higher performance controller, it’s not a bad idea to upgrade to Luna’s newly offered 30q pack which is capable of insane power when upgraded controllers do come available.

 

Myth: The Sur-Ron bike is too small.

On average most people cannot lift this bike like this lady can.

Just what is too small in a trail bike? In a bike that you are not concerned at all with pedal cadence the Sur-Ron is just the right size. For technical riding most riders will prefer the low to the ground and small wheel base of the Sur-Ron. All of us test riding the hot rod Sur-Ron are over 6 feet and not once have we heard the complaint of the bike being too small. To make this bike bigger just to increase certain riders comfort level would be ridiculous.

Myth: Sur-Ron is releasing a White Ghost full sized motorcycle soon for $3500

Sur ron is not anywhere close to releasing the white ghost and if they did the retail price would be closer to $10,000. Regardless, if there ever was a white ghost it would be years away.

 

Myth: Sur-Ron is going to release a street legal bike soon

Sur-Ron might include turn signals and lights etc to make their bike easier for the user to go and try to get a license plate on it…but Sur-Ron is nowhere close to offer a bike that would pass all the regulations and rules to be instantly street registered. And if they did it would significantly increase the price of the bike.

 

Myth: You need a Certificate of Origin or VIN number to self-register the Sur-Ron…and some vendors have this and some don’t.

The fact is nobody has a Sur-Ron with a VIN number on it and Sur-Ron is not providing Certificates of Origin. They will provide a cheesy placard you can glue onto your bike that claims it goes under 20 kmph and burns 750 watts. It’s unclear whether a Certificate of Origin is even needed to self register a vehicle if the product is bought in the United States and you can prove ownership with a receipt or bill of sale. Someone should install a light kit and pedal kit and go down to the DMV and see what is actually required to get a personal Sur-Ron registered as an electric moped. In reality there are not many people trying to self register electric vehicles, and in general it is much easier to register a small 2 wheeled electric vehicle than any other vehicle. It’s going to vary from state to state and even the person you speak to at the DMV will add to that variance, but until a determined person gets off the computer and decides he is going to be the first to try to register his Sur-Ron at his local DMV… nobody really knows what is required. People need to get off their ass and try and then come home and have something to type about.

One license plate for my bike please.

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15 thoughts on “Sur-Ron Facts and Myths

  1. Jeshua Lacock 1 month ago

    A special edition of the Firefly has been announced and is supposed to start shipping early July, though it is called the X edition (I’ve never heard of the M edition). They claim the X model has 20% more torque (ala field-weakening with the new sine-wave controller combined with a larger rear sprocket), 20% more range (improved BMS), regen breaking, upgraded: shocks, breaks, seat and breaks. Source: https://item.jd.com/28766053613.html

    Stating that no one has tried to register it is false. The DMV told me that a Certificate of Origin is required here in the state of Idaho.

    1. chessmonstar 1 month ago

      it is just the same bike as is offered now with a sine wave controller.

      1. Jeshua Lacock 1 month ago

        Its the same frame and tires, but practically everything else is upgraded (brakes, chain, seat, controller, battery, shocks – what else is there?!?!). Not to mention it is listed for only US$168 more than the standard model. Anyhow, your claim that “There is no special edition of the Sur-Ron coming out” is absolutely FALSE.

        1. Paul 1 month ago

          Moreover, I bought a Sine-wave controller for testing at just 120$, and they plan to resell it for 400$. ROTFL I mean ok you gotta live with it, but this is beyond greediness.

          1. chessmonstar 1 month ago

            at $120 dollars you did not get a real fov sine wave controller…not near the one we are going sale for 400. . I can tell you our cost for a sine wave controller from sur ron or ASI is over $300 for any interesting power level and to sale one at $400 given we have to tune it and make it plug and play and hear people bitch if it is not good enough etc is a gift. If you can get a $120 true sine wave controller and make it work with the sur ron and perform better than a stock bike you can make some good money on that deal and you should pursue it.

        2. chessmonstar 1 month ago

          it is just a myth… sur ron has no plans of releasing such a bike. I can tell you the only thing they are working on is the controller, and in fact working with us on that aspect.

    2. Jon 1 month ago

      I agree! I have also tried to register in North Carolina. I could possibly register without a certificate of origin, but without a VIN number, they want to inspect the bike and see a sticker that says the bike complies with federal safety standards. Without that, they won’t allow it to be registered.

      Luna! Get the homologated Sur Ron with a VIN so that those of us that live in cities can buy and enjoy this bike too! I can’t buy the bike without this. I don’t have anywhere offroad to ride it.

      1. chessmonstar 1 month ago

        we are not trying to sale a road legal bike. We are selling an off road use only bike.

        1. Jon 1 month ago

          You’re missing out on sales. I want to commute on one. It would be easy to register as a moped if you ask sur Ron for bikes with VIN s. Thanks

        2. Jeshua Lacock 4 weeks ago

          Even off road bikes are supposed to be registered as OHV vehicles in the State of Idaho. Which would be cheap and easy if I could get a damn Certificate of Origin – one piece of paper!

    3. chessmonstar 1 month ago

      ok buy one and keep us updated.

    4. chessmonstar 1 month ago

      In reality we are talking a new sine wave controller which is not significantly better than the stock controller now (unless Luna helps with picking and tuning the controller) and GA cells, and maybe better brakes…all improvements we have requested from Sur Ron and they are working on. Also it will probably have a better front suspension fork since everyone is asking for it…. but its going to be a significantly higher price for these niceties…and all upgrades will be offered to original buyers of the sur ron…. expect at least a 500 dollar price increase.

      1. Jeshua Lacock 4 weeks ago

        The model X is much more than just a sine wave controller (that coupled with the bigger sprocket gives it 20% more torque). Again, it has regenerative breaking, more plush seat, upgraded shocks (front and back), upgraded breaks and chain, a new BMS that the claim gives it 20% more range. And it is listed for only $168 more than the base model, so why would you expect it to cost at least $500 more?!?!